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there's a whole fleet of them look on

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the nsa

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oh my gosh they're all going against the

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it was basically a cube with inside of

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sphere where the points of the cube

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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joining me now for the second in the

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series of experiencer shows i have

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jonathan davies who is a lifelong

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experiencer from wales and a co-host on

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the special access podcast also a team

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member of suffolk that's the swansea ufo

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network john

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jonathan john welcome to the podcast hi

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andy thanks for having me on mate

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no it's good to speak to you uh face to

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face as such as we've talked online for

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a while via dm and on various various

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threads on the ufo twitter so it's nice

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to converse properly yeah i agree i've

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been watching all your shows and loving

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every minute of it and like i've told

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you a million times you should be doing

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this for a living and i know everyone is

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thinking you're killing it doing this

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mate you're really you you and dan are

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doing a great job

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well when i let dan out yeah he does all

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right doesn't he he's uh yeah no thanks

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i appreciate you saying that listen um

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for anyone unfamiliar with yourself john

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do you care to share just a little bit

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of background with us as to who you are

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yeah i'm um

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from wales i live in monmouthshire now

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but i've lived all over south wales um

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in the uk

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i'm a lifelong experience so i've

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literally um ever since i can remember

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i've been seeing things i started off

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seeing orbs when i was a child i would

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not know i was any different to any of

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the kids at start you know i thought

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everyone could see these things i didn't

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really even point them out to other kids

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until i went to school i went to school

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and i can remember the first time i was

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in school

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and we go out on the playing fields and

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um and i said to one of the other kids

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just let's chase them

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and it was all on us the edge of the

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field and i can remember the look on the

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on the kid's face you know now get

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chills now

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looking back because it

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it affected me that he he really thought

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i was nuts you know i got that

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impression right from the day the first

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day that i ever mentioned it to another

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kid

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um because he didn't see him um and he

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pointed out to every other kid in the

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school that i was a nut

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um and it was a real real issue for me

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for my entire

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childhood basically in school until

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until up until the point i was 15 when i

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moved schools and moved out the area and

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i i'm basically

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shut it off

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never told another soul i mean and up

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until a couple of years ago

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you know when the nimitz stuff came out

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and i came out again yeah just before we

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started recording and we were just

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talking briefly and you were mentioning

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the frustration at people who who would

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claim to be an experiencer now i i've

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shared on the podcast

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ad nauseam a couple of sightings i've

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had i'm not an experiencer though for

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you what is the definition of an

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experiencer

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but it's obviously an experience if you

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see a ufo don't get you know don't get

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me wrong we can use that word using

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experience of course it is but for me an

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experiencer is somebody who's who's got

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a lifelong in well it doesn't be

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lifelong but a major interactional

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interaction or a personal you know real

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close-up and close-up encounter or

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entity interactions

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um much more than just seeing lights in

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the sky you know that's something i i i

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see lights in the sky i've seen two

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ufos if you want to call them that this

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week

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you know so and it's very very normal

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for me to see these things and it always

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has been i mean i live in wales wales is

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like um

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a tropical rainforest with weather side

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of things with with the rains not the

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heat but certainly the rain and if it

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wasn't as cloudy as it is i'd probably

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see these things a hell of a lot more

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you know but it is it's

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it's constant for me and it's always

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been constant for me i mean and i find

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upsetting to be honest with you when i

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hear people say i'm an experiencer and

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it's like the term has been hijacked

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when they don't really understand what

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it means they knew what it meant really

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meant you know that this is this is bad

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for your health almost because

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it messes with your head because these

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things going on with you you don't know

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what they are

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um it really does get to you you know it

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it upsets me greatly sometimes i've been

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to bed for nine well more than nine nine

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months ago i had a major experience

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and i haven't been to bed since because

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it happened in my bedroom my daughter's

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upstairs my wife and i didn't want them

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to experience what i had just

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experienced you know so people jumping

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on this um i mean experience a bandwagon

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not really understanding what that

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really means

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you know i just don't think it's right

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i don't know i'm not after a um a

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ranking

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scheme or it's not an ego things it's

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just that

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we really do need to know who the real

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you know the real people are in this

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topic who are the ones we should

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concentrate on to go to

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to ask what's what has really happened

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to you so we can get some information

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you know as opposed to everyone if

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everyone says we're i'm an experiencer

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you don't know whether they're just

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they've just seen a light in the sky

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every now and then or you know once in a

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lifetime

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there's nothing

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you you mentioned

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from a young age obviously if as a child

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you were seeing orbs and having those

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interactions

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from from what age and what particular

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incident would you say you you became an

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experiencer was there one thing you

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remember going back

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i mean it was loads i mean i had when i

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was um 13 i had an appendicitis incident

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i was in the woods on my own

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and i got i was in agony i was on the

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floor i collapsed and i got surrounded

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by orbs that was that was once

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um when i was 15 i had i was in a field

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a few miles from home i had no memory at

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all of how i got in that field it was um

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late evening

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um it would happen to be that i know the

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dates because it was it turned out there

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was a major incident that night the

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night of the triangles in wales um so it

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was the 19th of january in 1983

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and it was about eight o'clock-ish i

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would assume i didn't know the time but

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i was in a field i looked up

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um and i saw the whole sky move

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it was it was a miles wide craft it was

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the biggest thing i'd ever seen i'd been

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seeing orbs and i'd seen um you know

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most of the other shapes i'd seen cigars

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and things like that everyone calls them

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tic-tacs now but they were big cigars

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you know same shape

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but anyway this craft moved i was in a

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bubble i could i couldn't

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you know there was no sound around me

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there was like i was in a world of my

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own type thing and i look up and as soon

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as it moved the bubble burst

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i was freezing cold because 19th of

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january in the uk is winter

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and i had just had a t-shirt on and i

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suddenly you know what am i doing in

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this field i had no memory of that day

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at all

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all the previous day i had no memory at

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all i mean i literally looked to my

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right and i saw where i was there was a

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leisure center to my right and i was in

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the leisure center playing fields

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you know a couple of miles from home

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and um i looked back at the craft and i

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watched it drift away and it was

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literally colossal you know i couldn't

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see the left hand side how big it went

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you know it was too far that way it was

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too far that way for me to see how big

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it was and um

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that was my first major major experience

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um i ran home um

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i didn't go through the front door of my

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house when i finally got home i went

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around the back i climbed up the drain

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pipe i went in through the bathroom

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window i went to bed

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and i expected the next day to get i did

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it did that basically because i thought

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i must have done something you know what

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i mean i was i was worried i was going

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to get told off by my parents because i

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had no memory where i'd been or what i'd

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done and i thought i must have done

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something you know so i literally went

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up the drain point went to bed

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um got up the next day ready for school

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and went down expecting to get it off my

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mum and dad you know what the hell has i

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done you know i was thinking i was going

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to get it and they didn't say a word

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apart from my mum saying you didn't

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clean your ruby rugby boots

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yesterday you know that that told me

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what day of the week it was because we

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always played rugby on a wednesday but

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anyway i thought i'd got away with it

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great

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i went to school

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my head was messed up you know because i

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didn't know

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what had even happened in school i

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didn't know what i'd been doing or

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anything for two days uh but i didn't

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say anything to my friends again i

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thought if i you know i'm not gonna look

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stupid i've had that effect when i was

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younger and i didn't want that in my

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comp school as well i knew that the kids

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from my local school had gone to the

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comp and i was very always worried they

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were going to tell them everyone else in

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the comp you know about me as well and

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so i didn't say anything and i we moved

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the house then two weeks later

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and um

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we moved out to the area so i i knew i

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didn't have to say anything i thought

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i'm going to get away with this

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and i never said a word we we moved to

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the oldest house in newport it was built

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in 1580 an old mansion house and i'd

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never seen a ghost or what people class

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as a ghost up until that point but then

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from that i don't know whether it was

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the interaction with what had happened a

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couple of weeks earlier with this giant

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craft and with i admit in time as well i

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forgot to mention that about an hour and

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a half of missing time where i've you

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know i've nowhere no idea um where i was

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um

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but anyway we moved to this this house

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this old house and

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i started to see ghosts they would sit

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on my bed they would push me

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hit me talk to me you know and i had an

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ongoing experience then for the next

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five or six years while we lived in that

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house nearly every day i mean my sister

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moved out the house that's how spooky it

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was it had its own chapel

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in the house you know it was a really

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old um really old house

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um so that was that one and then um

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next major experience

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yeah

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let me jump in on that thanks because

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that's really really interesting um like

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story you've told the first part as well

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now you talk about the missing time had

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you

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ever since then looked at anything like

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regression or had any idea of what

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happened during that missing time i've

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never looked at regression i've looked

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at what people

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the effect

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and the trolling that has happened to

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people who've had regression and that is

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and the thought of

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um finding out i've got a member i

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haven't got a memory about it you know

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so it's not a bad memory so i don't want

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to be regressed and then suddenly find

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something really bad happen to me

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because i've got i've been until

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recently this i turned about the nine

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months ago

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i am being a bed you know um

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i had never had a bad experience or i

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didn't think i'd had a bad experience

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because i haven't got a memory of it

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okay

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so i it really puts me off the idea of

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um

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suddenly finding out they're doing

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terrible things to me

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you know and then that it's already

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messed my life up almost you know and i

328
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really don't want it

329
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you know what i mean am i going to

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therapy after i've had that regression

331
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you know i'd just prefer not to have the

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regression and avoid it completely

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that's my um

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my thing on that was the other part of

335
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your question sorry andy missed no no

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that that's completely fair it's you

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know ignorance is bliss is the old

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phrase and and especially when it comes

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to that your your first answer was

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funny you mentioned like you don't want

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to get regression because of trolls and

342
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whatnot and i was going to say but even

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for yourself but

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your reasoning and logic of i'd rather

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go on

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no no that's i'm sure there are other

347
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people that like you if they had the

348
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option of knowing something like that

349
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they maybe wouldn't want to know it's

350
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better to not know

351
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yeah but you also get them people saying

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to you ah why is he avoiding it

353
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what is he hiding that's the troll

354
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inside of it you know this is the

355
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it's bad enough and hard enough for

356
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experience to to come out in the first

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place and i waited um 48 years

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to say a word

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you know in in public

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apart from that experience that first

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time when i first told that one kid it

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ruined my up to the point i went to comp

363
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it ruined my life

364
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you know what i mean i had no friends i

365
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literally was living this i would go

366
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after i'd other kids were playing

367
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football with other friends after school

368
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and stuff i wasn't able to do that

369
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because i was getting abuse

370
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so i would literally go off on my own

371
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and i'd be seeing these orbs following

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me around like

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they're like um i mean i class them like

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um a mirror glass like a camera is

375
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following me right they were following

376
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me around everywhere i went like as if

377
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they were keeping an eye on me strange

378
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andy i'm gonna clue what they are

379
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you know i'm not gonna pretend i know

380
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what they are because i don't i haven't

381
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got a clue but that was that's the sort

382
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of thing that's built got into my head

383
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over the years are they some sort of

384
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like mirror glass camera from another

385
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dimension or something and they're

386
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literally keeping an eye on me you know

387
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that was

388
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i mean it was strange i said about the

389
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um the orbs where they were all above me

390
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when i had the appendix incidents and my

391
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panics was burst in yeah

392
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i never saw those small orbs again

393
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after that

394
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so i literally went

395
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crawled home

396
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gone went to hospital had my appendix

397
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out never saw the small orbs again and

398
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i've never seen them since i only see

399
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massive orbs now you know giant size

400
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um van size orbs you know or hot air

401
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balloon size orbs massive ones

402
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yeah that's strange you mentioned

403
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you mentioned john that you waited 48

404
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years to even talk about this at all

405
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what was the point after all that time

406
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you decided enough was enough

407
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well i watched the i watched like

408
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everyone else on ufo twitter i saw the

409
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nimitz stuff coming out i saw the new

410
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york times stuff coming out and i

411
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thought well if it's going into the

412
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press no it's becoming mainstream

413
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and um

414
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i i had a business

415
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i mean i thought it's not quite true

416
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actually andy in 2010 i had another

417
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major incident where i had a landing an

418
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object landed by my house when i lived

419
00:14:28,790 --> 00:14:26,480
in west wales

420
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and that was that was a crazy experience

421
00:14:32,150 --> 00:14:30,079
i'm not going to talk about that but i

422
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doubt if you've got enough time um

423
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so no lesson go go for it

424
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okay so um

425
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basically my daughter was two we're

426
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living on the coast

427
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um just north gower opposite for an

428
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athlete on the opposite coast of the

429
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estuary

430
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um and my daughter stood over by the

431
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conservatory window and she suddenly

432
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says bright she's two years old that was

433
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a that was a good word for her so i

434
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thought oh great word so i walked over

435
00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:56,240
to the window thinking what's she on

436
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about you know and um even though i've

437
00:15:01,990 --> 00:15:00,320
been seeing these all my life she threw

438
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me off balance and i was looking out the

439
00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:04,639
window and um there's an orange orb a

440
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big orange or by the tree of my

441
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neighbor's tennis courts

442
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um

443
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:11,040
right by my house literally just at the

444
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end of the garden and it's just sitting

445
00:15:18,550 --> 00:15:15,199
by this tree and all of a sudden

446
00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:18,560
um it shoots to my right and down we're

447
00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:20,560
on top of the hill okay so it shoots

448
00:15:26,069 --> 00:15:22,560
into the estuary which is like a salt

449
00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:26,079
marsh the tide is out okay and it it

450
00:15:29,990 --> 00:15:28,480
shoots down so fast it's like the tic

451
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:30,000
tac speed when they talk about it's you

452
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,160
know i did was it seventy thousand miles

453
00:15:35,829 --> 00:15:34,320
an hour or something crazy if i blinked

454
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:35,839
i would not have seen this you know it

455
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:37,440
was almost i almost didn't see it and

456
00:15:41,430 --> 00:15:39,759
then oh there it is you know and but it

457
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:41,440
moves so fast it threw me off guard

458
00:15:45,030 --> 00:15:42,880
because i've never seen him move that

459
00:15:47,430 --> 00:15:45,040
fast before he used to always mosey

460
00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,440
along whenever i saw him you know

461
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and let me see him whenever i wanted but

462
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this was like boom

463
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and i thought oh my god it's crashed

464
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but there was no sound i opened the

465
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windows of the conservatory and i'm

466
00:15:59,670 --> 00:15:58,399
listening there's no sound and all of a

467
00:16:00,949 --> 00:15:59,680
sudden then this thing starts to be

468
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:00,959
massive brash

469
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bright flashes of light all different

470
00:16:08,470 --> 00:16:06,320
colors like blinding like boom right in

471
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your face you know like a lighthouse

472
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but they seem to be directed to me

473
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that's the way it felt to me at the time

474
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anyway um again there's no sound um and

475
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then another object appears directly

476
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opposite between me and this other

477
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object over bury port until and ashley

478
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is cloud so this thing is below cloud

479
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level but it looks like the moon but

480
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it's got like a bluey green

481
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um it's bright white but bluey green

482
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edges about the size of a very large

483
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moon

484
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um so that's just stopped dead

485
00:16:39,749 --> 00:16:37,839
directly between me this object on the

486
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ground which has continued flashing and

487
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then all of a sudden i can hear what

488
00:16:45,990 --> 00:16:43,839
sounds like a chinook helicopter coming

489
00:16:48,150 --> 00:16:46,000
in from the north of the estuary and i

490
00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:48,160
can hear it i could see two lights like

491
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not flashing lights so red and white

492
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like the steady light coming in very low

493
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,680
and the chin up getting louder and

494
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louder and over twin wrote the

495
00:16:58,949 --> 00:16:57,600
helicopter it gets up to the object on

496
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the ground

497
00:17:01,590 --> 00:17:00,560
and there's a little flash of light

498
00:17:02,829 --> 00:17:01,600
between the two of them and the

499
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:02,839
helicopter

500
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,520
vanished totally vanished the sound of

501
00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:07,439
the helicopter totally vanished and then

502
00:17:11,270 --> 00:17:09,039
i can hear it again

503
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:11,280
two miles up the coast i can hear the

504
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,199
same thing happening all over again

505
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:15,039
it starts coming in again

506
00:17:18,710 --> 00:17:16,480
it gets up to the object there's another

507
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:18,720
flash of light vanish eight or nine

508
00:17:22,630 --> 00:17:20,240
times it happened

509
00:17:25,110 --> 00:17:22,640
which was it was nuts you know so i knew

510
00:17:26,949 --> 00:17:25,120
i mean i knew anyway that it wasn't you

511
00:17:28,150 --> 00:17:26,959
know somewhat legit but the helicopter

512
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,160
threw me off guard because i was

513
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:30,080
thinking maybe i've got this wrong you

514
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:31,760
know maybe this is some military thing

515
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,400
that's going on or you know and i i get

516
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:36,160
the impression now that that is the idea

517
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:37,600
behind

518
00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:40,000
what i class know as a fake helicopter

519
00:17:44,150 --> 00:17:42,320
um that they are used as some sort of

520
00:17:45,510 --> 00:17:44,160
distraction to make people think oh

521
00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:45,520
there's nothing going on you know this

522
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:48,160
is a legitimate thing that you see in

523
00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:50,080
don't worry about it it's military or

524
00:17:55,750 --> 00:17:52,160
something you know i mean was it

525
00:17:57,990 --> 00:17:55,760
holographic was it um a mind alt was my

526
00:17:58,830 --> 00:17:58,000
mind being altered in some way

527
00:18:01,270 --> 00:17:58,840
alter

528
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,280
perception um i have no idea i mean i

529
00:18:04,950 --> 00:18:03,280
took pictures of everything

530
00:18:06,870 --> 00:18:04,960
um that was going on i'd run down the

531
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:06,880
house at one point grabbed by you had a

532
00:18:10,870 --> 00:18:08,480
brand new camera i bought two days

533
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:10,880
previous never used it literally put the

534
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:12,720
batteries in to see whether i could to

535
00:18:16,310 --> 00:18:14,320
test it you know just in case i had to

536
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,320
send you back anyway so i took loads of

537
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,240
pictures didn't realize until the next

538
00:18:22,549 --> 00:18:20,160
day they had a video function

539
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:22,559
uh you know what i mean um

540
00:18:27,909 --> 00:18:24,559
anyway that all that all went on with a

541
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,919
helicopter to my left is the c yeah i

542
00:18:31,909 --> 00:18:29,760
hadn't noticed and

543
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:31,919
it was an emerald green object coming in

544
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:34,240
from the sea and it got right up close

545
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:35,200
to

546
00:18:39,029 --> 00:18:36,799
this object that's on the ground which

547
00:18:41,909 --> 00:18:39,039
was originally an orange orb but it

548
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:41,919
turned into a like a blue object a craft

549
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:43,760
okay so this thing gets right up this

550
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:46,240
emerald objects gets right up to it it

551
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,000
shines the only way i could describe it

552
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:50,160
is like the starship star trek when

553
00:18:54,230 --> 00:18:51,919
there's a tractor beam because it's

554
00:18:57,270 --> 00:18:54,240
shone a light onto this object on the

555
00:18:59,669 --> 00:18:57,280
ground a green light it wrapped itself

556
00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,679
around it and they literally took itself

557
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:01,600
out to see the two of them went out to

558
00:19:05,590 --> 00:19:04,320
see quite slow yeah as soon as that

559
00:19:07,669 --> 00:19:05,600
started happening the helicopter

560
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,679
vanished and never came back and the

561
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,840
object over for naturally that have been

562
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,840
sat there like keeping an eye on things

563
00:19:14,710 --> 00:19:12,880
i don't know

564
00:19:19,669 --> 00:19:14,720
um that vanished

565
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:19,679
and it just went off um the next day um

566
00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:21,280
i was expecting the neighbors to have

567
00:19:24,789 --> 00:19:22,480
all seen this because of all the noise

568
00:19:26,630 --> 00:19:24,799
of the helicopter and all the you know

569
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,640
so i thought i'd go down the road try

570
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,240
and find some other witnesses couldn't

571
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,360
find any of the witnesses there's a

572
00:19:33,190 --> 00:19:31,039
holiday area so there's most of the

573
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:33,200
houses are empty at that time of year

574
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:34,640
um so i only found two people and

575
00:19:38,630 --> 00:19:36,559
neither of them had seen it that was

576
00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:38,640
that went back to work i worked from

577
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,400
home um i went back to work um

578
00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:43,919
phoned up everyone i could think of the

579
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:46,000
police i phoned the police on the night

580
00:19:50,549 --> 00:19:47,440
i mean they hadn't heard anything

581
00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:50,559
because i thought you know i i'll

582
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:52,320
wipe that one off the slate is it was it

583
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,080
a police helicopter was it some did

584
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,440
anyone else report it i was trying to

585
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:57,200
find out you know nobody reported

586
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:58,400
anything didn't want it didn't know

587
00:20:02,149 --> 00:20:00,400
anything about it and they kept phoning

588
00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:02,159
me for weeks on end afterwards because

589
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,360
everyone in the police station was

590
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:05,200
really interested i always got the

591
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:06,640
impression that yeah because they knew

592
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:09,120
something you know i you know paranoia

593
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:10,480
but that was the impression i was

594
00:20:14,149 --> 00:20:12,080
getting why did they keep phoning me you

595
00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,159
know um

596
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,480
you know i tried everyone i phoned nic i

597
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,080
got in touch with nick pope nick pope

598
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,600
had already left the mod you didn't want

599
00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,760
to know he just said that yeah baffling

600
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,440
in intriguing pictures that was about it

601
00:20:25,990 --> 00:20:24,400
though

602
00:20:28,149 --> 00:20:26,000
um

603
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:28,159
there they say next day again i saw two

604
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:29,760
black vans

605
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:31,440
two black fans had parked it right in

606
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,440
the spot where this thing had landed and

607
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,360
there was blokes literally wandering

608
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:37,039
around with either metal detectors or

609
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,880
radiation things strange equipment

610
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,559
looking you know i couldn't really

611
00:20:43,750 --> 00:20:42,480
left my pair of binoculars i'd be

612
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:43,760
watching it all with the night before

613
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:45,120
and the camera but i'd left them at the

614
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:47,120
top of the house you know i didn't go

615
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,480
back up because i was in the middle of

616
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:49,840
my day of work

617
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,840
um but i kicked myself now i didn't take

618
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,919
pictures of the black vans as well

619
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:55,360
but um

620
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,200
i don't know i mean were those were they

621
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:58,720
really black fans because i went to the

622
00:21:02,470 --> 00:21:00,960
castle where the the track was where

623
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,480
these vans had would have had to have

624
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,960
come out from onto the marshes and i

625
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,880
spoke to the farmer and the farmer told

626
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:09,440
me that he'd never let anyone out there

627
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,280
you know he took me to the gates that

628
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:13,440
was locked padlocked and said i've never

629
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,799
let anyone out there at his private

630
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,960
property and you're not out loud out

631
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,799
there because they used to do

632
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:20,240
bomb disposal out there because they use

633
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:21,600
it as a range

634
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:22,880
during the war

635
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:25,440
okay so it's nobody goes out there i

636
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:27,280
mean it's been hinted at me again that

637
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:28,720
maybe they

638
00:21:32,549 --> 00:21:30,240
they weren't really black vans and they

639
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:32,559
weren't really men and they were

640
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,320
again something being manifested and

641
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,679
something else was really there because

642
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,200
how the hell did they get out there

643
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:39,039
through those locked gates you know i

644
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:40,400
don't know john

645
00:21:44,470 --> 00:21:41,840
let me ask because that's that's

646
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:44,480
fascinating do you have any idea

647
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,159
or any best guess what these things may

648
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,039
be or where they may be from

649
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,400
oh mate

650
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,320
that's why i'm doing this 15 hours a day

651
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,400
seven days a week trying to find out

652
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,480
like the rest of us you know i'm uh i

653
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,240
wish i wish i had the answers i've i

654
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:01,760
haven't got any answers all i can tell

655
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:04,320
you is what happened to me you know i i

656
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,710
why do you haven't always happening to

657
00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:10,640
you

658
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,400
i really don't know

659
00:22:18,149 --> 00:22:15,520
thought it was happening to everyone

660
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,159
when i was before i went to school you

661
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,159
know until that first kid said to me i'm

662
00:22:23,110 --> 00:22:21,200
nuts

663
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:23,120
i thought all kids could see or you know

664
00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:24,480
these orbs

665
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,919
and um

666
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,039
that was the point i learned they

667
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,640
couldn't you know and that's the point i

668
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,919
knew that i was different and i had to

669
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,760
shut my mouth

670
00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,440
or it was going to cost obviously and it

671
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:35,280
has cost me you know

672
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,360
yeah it's something you've lived with

673
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:39,360
and you've dealt with it for a long for

674
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,159
decades you've now not only got yourself

675
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,000
to look after you've got your wife and

676
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:45,440
daughter you mentioned

677
00:22:51,029 --> 00:22:47,120
what sort of effect does your

678
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:51,039
experiences have on them

679
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:53,520
well my daughter can see things as well

680
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,679
um she sees things that she doesn't see

681
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:57,360
the small orbs that i saw when i was a

682
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:58,240
child

683
00:23:00,789 --> 00:22:59,039
but

684
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,799
she saw that all

685
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:02,320
um before i did when we were doing a

686
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,760
girl when he landed you know she pointed

687
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,960
out to me

688
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,200
and then um a couple of christmases ago

689
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,640
christmas day we went out for lunch you

690
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:10,640
were coming back there were three giant

691
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:12,000
orbs in the middle of the road just

692
00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:14,000
above the road massive ones about hot

693
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,520
air balloon size

694
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,600
but my wife has no interest in the topic

695
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,679
at all so i didn't you know people got

696
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,120
mad i don't stop the car and take

697
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,640
pictures but i see these things all the

698
00:23:26,789 --> 00:23:24,799
time you know i mean so it was that was

699
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,799
a good one but it was christmas day we

700
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:29,280
were full we were all tired and i wanted

701
00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:32,400
to get home you know so we didn't but um

702
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,520
it's difficult

703
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:35,280
it really is difficult to

704
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:41,029
it is seven days a week it is 15 hours a

705
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,039
day it is it is a

706
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,799
a total obsession to try and find

707
00:23:49,750 --> 00:23:47,279
answers and it it really does take it

708
00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:49,760
out of you so that's what i go on about

709
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:50,960
please don't call yourself an

710
00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,320
experiencer because if you're not an

711
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,320
experiencer you know i mean it means

712
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:56,000
something

713
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,039
and it's not

714
00:24:03,669 --> 00:23:59,600
a nice thing sometimes you know

715
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:05,909
well i had i had a i've been to bed for

716
00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:07,919
about in just over nine months because i

717
00:24:13,590 --> 00:24:10,720
was lying i woke literally

718
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:13,600
with my mouth open i couldn't breathe

719
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:15,520
i couldn't move my body at all apart

720
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:17,520
from my eyes and this was the first

721
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,400
negative experience i can remember okay

722
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:22,480
and there was literally a there was a

723
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:25,679
female entity an inch from my mouth

724
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:28,240
with hair that was like seven foot long

725
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,320
floating in the air

726
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,320
by the side of the house massive bull

727
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:33,840
like eyes

728
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:36,559
and um she scared the [\h__\h] out of me

729
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:37,520
okay

730
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,080
it really did scare me and um she she

731
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,159
looked really pissed off that i'd caught

732
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,640
her and she floated to the end of the

733
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,640
bed i could see this because my wife

734
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,000
sleeps with a light on you know with a

735
00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:49,600
small light lamp

736
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,039
and my daughter does as well they can't

737
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,520
sleep in the dark but so i could see her

738
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,279
perfectly and so she floated to the end

739
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,799
of the bed

740
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,640
one more horrible look for me and then

741
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,720
vanished she looked like a hag you know

742
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:03,120
like a horrible hag

743
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,400
and um

744
00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:06,080
freaked me out i'm totally as soon as

745
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,320
she vanished i could breathe i'm like

746
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,120
like i screamed my dog that would

747
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,679
normally hear every noise and bark at

748
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:15,679
anything you know sleeps on the bed with

749
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,400
us

750
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,360
and

751
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,760
she didn't murmur my wife is still even

752
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:21,440
though i screamed as loud you know as

753
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,640
low as i could

754
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,320
um didn't wake up

755
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:27,600
i literally got up checked the house

756
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,679
and be in the bed since

757
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:31,919
you know so again today it's annoying

758
00:25:36,390 --> 00:25:34,080
when people want to be an experience so

759
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:36,400
it doesn't make any sense to me

760
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,080
you know it really doesn't want to

761
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,080
doesn't make sense to me at all

762
00:25:43,110 --> 00:25:41,440
why why would you want to be an

763
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:43,120
experienced yeah okay you want to see a

764
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,720
ufo but you really don't want the rest

765
00:25:49,430 --> 00:25:46,320
of it that goes with it

766
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,350
i've been told by other experiences you

767
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,720
really wouldn't want to be an

768
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,880
experiencer

769
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,039
you know and listen i appreciate

770
00:26:00,390 --> 00:25:58,720
everything you've shared with us so far

771
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,400
as well and in a short time it's a lot

772
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:02,000
you've given us which i appreciate and

773
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,520
we will talk again but i've got a few

774
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:05,840
things i want to to get to before we

775
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:07,919
wrap up our time and this is some of the

776
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,760
stuff we have talked about online and

777
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,200
i'll be honest one of the reasons i'm

778
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,760
doing this is someone like yourself and

779
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,480
the frustration i've seen from you and

780
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:18,480
others that you're you're not being

781
00:26:22,950 --> 00:26:20,799
heard and other people seem to pick and

782
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,960
choose when experiences are relevant or

783
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:25,600
when their stories are relevant so i'm

784
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,960
trying to give people the time to at

785
00:26:29,669 --> 00:26:28,240
least share a little bit of their story

786
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:29,679
so hopefully i've managed to do that and

787
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,679
give you that platform but i want to

788
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:33,200
know

789
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:35,279
and in your opinion

790
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:36,960
actually no forget not in your opinion

791
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:39,360
because that's wrong as now the right

792
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:41,760
time for experience or stories to be

793
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:43,760
involved in the mainstream conversation

794
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,440
before you answer

795
00:26:49,350 --> 00:26:47,039
thinking

796
00:26:51,510 --> 00:26:49,360
if you can take yourself away from your

797
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:51,520
other person having these experiences

798
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:54,960
and you tell that to to the every man or

799
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:56,080
every woman

800
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,200
every person in the street

801
00:27:02,149 --> 00:27:00,640
what i mean you know what they're going

802
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:02,159
to say are you know what the majority

803
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,679
are going to think

804
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:04,799
yeah

805
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,200
the way things have panned out i get it

806
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,760
i get the reason why um

807
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,360
we've been locked in the closet for a

808
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:16,400
bit you know and uh they don't want to

809
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,600
they didn't want to talk to the

810
00:27:20,710 --> 00:27:19,039
congressman you know we weren't going to

811
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:20,720
get a real conversation going with them

812
00:27:24,070 --> 00:27:23,279
i get all that side of things you know

813
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,080
but

814
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:25,600
before we went to speak to the

815
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,520
congressman there was no reason why

816
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,960
experiences couldn't have been at the

817
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,799
table with the people who were going to

818
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,960
meet the congressman

819
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,640
okay that's that's the point i've been

820
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:36,720
trying to make it's not that i want to

821
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,960
be thrust throwing this down their

822
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,480
throats people are being abducted and

823
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,600
what the hell are you going to do about

824
00:27:45,990 --> 00:27:43,440
it and blowing this out of all

825
00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:46,000
proportion for um and then that's not

826
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:46,840
getting

827
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,000
um more june reports and more

828
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:52,480
um congressional hearings or any

829
00:27:55,590 --> 00:27:54,240
congressional hearings

830
00:27:57,510 --> 00:27:55,600
you know i didn't want any of that don't

831
00:27:59,990 --> 00:27:57,520
get me wrong and i know that experiences

832
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,000
do and don't just stop anything from

833
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:02,000
happening but there was there was no

834
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,480
reason why we couldn't be there forming

835
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,080
the questions and forming the the plan

836
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:09,840
of how to proceed

837
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:13,360
and that is what we've been shut out of

838
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:14,799
do you not think

839
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,600
that there's a possibility that has or

840
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:20,159
is happening in the background it's just

841
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,480
that given the nature of it people like

842
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,559
yourself aren't going to be

843
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:26,159
in the know of that

844
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:27,440
yeah you might be right i mean i've

845
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,640
heard that

846
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,880
sean cahill for instance is a full-on

847
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,600
experiencer but sean has never told me

848
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,600
what his experiences are so i've got no

849
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,520
way to judge that you know so i can only

850
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:39,600
go on the things i do know

851
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,559
um

852
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,080
and i do you know i know the other

853
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:44,720
people as well i know louis

854
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,600
said

855
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:47,919
or hinted that he had an experience at

856
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:50,080
skinwalker ranch i don't know what that

857
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,720
was again you know so it's hard it's

858
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,320
hard for me to

859
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,399
say yes we're already in there when i

860
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,159
don't know what the are they real

861
00:29:00,710 --> 00:28:59,600
experiences what are eye classes and

862
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,720
real experiences what i've tried to

863
00:29:04,710 --> 00:29:03,039
describe to you i don't know you know

864
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,720
did they just see did lou just see a

865
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:06,240
light in the sky

866
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,480
i don't know you know is that what sean

867
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:09,760
saw i don't know

868
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:12,159
you know so i can't say experiences have

869
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,080
already been at the table and already

870
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,080
been forming these questions and so

871
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,480
nobody's been left out the loop

872
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,559
because we don't know

873
00:29:22,950 --> 00:29:22,000
this is the problem

874
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:22,960
you know

875
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:25,600
i'd be nice if somebody was in there who

876
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:28,799
i did know was a full-on experience

877
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:30,159
um

878
00:29:33,750 --> 00:29:31,919
who could say well yeah everything's

879
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:33,760
being covered don't worry mate but when

880
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,559
i'm not being told that so you it's i've

881
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:38,720
already got the frustrations of

882
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:40,240
you know this is brilliant that you're

883
00:29:43,590 --> 00:29:41,919
doing this andy i mean it speaks volumes

884
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:43,600
about me you mate that you are doing

885
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,000
this experience uh podcasts in the first

886
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,399
place speaks volumes um because there is

887
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,399
a huge stigma attached to us

888
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,240
and everyone

889
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:54,399
uses it against us to not get us

890
00:29:57,350 --> 00:29:56,240
involved you know we're not involved in

891
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,360
the panels

892
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,480
panel discussions when all the you know

893
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,000
i'm not going to bring up names but

894
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:03,360
there was some big panel discussions

895
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,720
recently but there weren't enough

896
00:30:07,350 --> 00:30:06,159
experiences on there as far as i was

897
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,360
concerned

898
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:09,360
okay um

899
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:11,679
because again in this we're seen as

900
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,399
hurting or potentially hurting

901
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:17,039
the movement towards

902
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:18,559
everything that's trying to be achieved

903
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,960
we're just out we're out of the loop

904
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,880
and it is beyond frustrating we've been

905
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,640
able to we've we're the ones who've been

906
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:26,720
wanting the answers the longest

907
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:28,159
we are the ones bringing all the

908
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:31,120
information to the to the to the people

909
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,799
you know i've just told you a load of

910
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,399
things that have happened to me

911
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,399
you know now you're hopefully you're

912
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:38,480
aware that you know i'm i'm hoping that

913
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:39,919
your gut feeling will say this guy's

914
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,600
genuine because

915
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,840
how can he speak at this sort of

916
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,760
motor speed and not be telling the truth

917
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:47,440
he can't make it up that quick truly you

918
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:49,520
know but i don't know

919
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:51,600
you know i i do my best to try and tell

920
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,640
people

921
00:30:57,509 --> 00:30:54,399
what has happened to me and it is it's

922
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:57,519
down to them to believe me you know

923
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,120
and possibly yeah

924
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:01,840
you know that's kind of not the way i

925
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,600
see it and after like i say i talk about

926
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,600
especially when i saw that um ferris

927
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:07,760
wheel type object when i was at 9 or 10

928
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,760
and even speaking to people at david

929
00:31:13,830 --> 00:31:11,760
marlar who have spoken to tons and tons

930
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,840
of witnesses and they say that's quite

931
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:15,200
different to what a lot of people see

932
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:16,640
given it was quite low to the ground it

933
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:18,559
was on its side spinning and and all

934
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,159
that kind of stuff well

935
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,799
i i know i saw that i saw it with people

936
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,559
who have no interest in the subject as

937
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,320
well my sister kind of does but my mom

938
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,360
and the other people don't really and

939
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,679
that all i've got is that story and

940
00:31:35,669 --> 00:31:34,080
whenever it does come up outside of

941
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,679
especially outside of this podcast if it

942
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,120
ever comes up in conversation with

943
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,760
friends or or anyone like that then

944
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,080
it's you get all sorts of reactions to

945
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,760
it and people and the question normally

946
00:31:47,430 --> 00:31:45,840
i just ask is why would i make that up

947
00:31:49,350 --> 00:31:47,440
there's obviously attention and stuff

948
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:49,360
like that but i mean come on there's

949
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,440
better stories for attention than

950
00:31:54,789 --> 00:31:52,880
than that you know i could claim i get

951
00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:54,799
taken backstage at an oasis concert once

952
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:56,559
and no gallagher gave me a signed guitar

953
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:58,080
and oh i can't show you the guitar

954
00:32:00,789 --> 00:31:59,519
because it's hidden away in the loft but

955
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,799
i've got it you know

956
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:02,320
i've got his net birth guitar if anyone

957
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,080
wants to send me some liam gallagher

958
00:32:08,630 --> 00:32:06,320
said something interesting uh to me i

959
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,640
was at the the seo conference and i was

960
00:32:13,990 --> 00:32:11,200
chatting to him there and he said he's

961
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:14,000
more likely to it was an ongoing chat

962
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:16,080
after the conference he's he said he's

963
00:32:20,950 --> 00:32:18,559
more likely to believe the experiencer

964
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,960
who tells him the more outlandish story

965
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:23,120
than he is than somebody who said i just

966
00:32:27,750 --> 00:32:25,120
saw a craft

967
00:32:29,669 --> 00:32:27,760
okay if he said if if it was a 30-foot

968
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,679
craft on the ground and the person said

969
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,519
i walked inside the craft and when i got

970
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:33,840
inside it was the size of two football

971
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,039
fields

972
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:37,360
hal is much more likely to believe it

973
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:39,200
okay and that's that's the way i am as

974
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:40,320
well i mean

975
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,799
sometimes obviously you you've got to be

976
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,799
skeptical because i'm i'm skeptical with

977
00:32:48,389 --> 00:32:46,640
a lot of stuff i i listen to as well

978
00:32:50,630 --> 00:32:48,399
because if i i think i've i've

979
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:50,640
experienced most of the things in this

980
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:53,120
in this field so i can judge i hope i

981
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,840
can judge you know when somebody's

982
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:57,200
bullshitting um

983
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,600
but is is is still difficult because

984
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,840
there's there are wannabes

985
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,360
you know there seem to be wannabes in

986
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:05,200
this field as well they're just making

987
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:06,480
up and trying to make money out of this

988
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:08,640
topic and you know it's really difficult

989
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:10,480
and loads of fakes they're really not

990
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:11,519
helping us

991
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,039
you know i'm looking forward to this

992
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:15,120
software that um

993
00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:16,720
lou was being on about is coming out

994
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:17,679
soon

995
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:18,799
and hopefully we'll be able to tell

996
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,909
can't wait for that john yeah just to

997
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:25,440
wrap up and again i really appreciate

998
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:27,360
the time you've given us is there any

999
00:33:31,269 --> 00:33:28,880
advice you would go back and give your

1000
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,279
younger self with regard to coming to

1001
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,799
terms and dealing with these experiences

1002
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,279
oh god mate

1003
00:33:40,149 --> 00:33:38,640
you know it's difficult because you'd

1004
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,159
like to say yeah i should have come out

1005
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:42,240
earlier and talked about it but

1006
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,760
i look what happened to me by coming out

1007
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,120
and talking about it when i was young

1008
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:46,960
you know it ruined literally ruined my

1009
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,000
life i would think things would be

1010
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:50,000
changing for young for other other

1011
00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:51,200
people

1012
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:52,799
i wouldn't i wouldn't advise kids to

1013
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:55,840
come out obviously but um

1014
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,720
maybe maybe if you you're you're past 50

1015
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,080
and you want to you want to come out and

1016
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,760
start talking now i've got a feeling

1017
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,960
there's a lot of people that could come

1018
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,120
out and talk i mean i met a couple

1019
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:07,200
yesterday that are in their 70s and

1020
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,800
they've never spoken about

1021
00:34:12,790 --> 00:34:10,399
something that happened to them 40 years

1022
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,800
ago and it's happened every day since

1023
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:15,359
okay so there's you know there are a lot

1024
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,440
of people out there that will speak if

1025
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,079
if we can get rid of the stigma and

1026
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:21,359
that's difficult

1027
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,720
really difficult

1028
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:24,720
and conversely what would you recommend

1029
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:26,320
if someone's listening to this right now

1030
00:34:30,470 --> 00:34:28,960
and here's your story your experiences

1031
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,480
your your trauma

1032
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,879
what would you recommend to them

1033
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:34,800
get in touch with other experiences and

1034
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:35,760
share

1035
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,240
and and try and um i mean this there's

1036
00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:40,399
an experience a group that jay king has

1037
00:34:45,349 --> 00:34:43,119
set up and maybe i'm not a member of

1038
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,359
that because i'm like this is part of my

1039
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:47,040
life now and i'm used to i don't really

1040
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,720
need like a

1041
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,639
conversational therapy type thing that i

1042
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:52,159
think that probably is i don't really

1043
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:53,760
know because i'm not a member but i get

1044
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,320
that's the impression of it um but maybe

1045
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,560
that you know if other experiences need

1046
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,760
that

1047
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:01,599
then you know they

1048
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:03,440
it's speaking to other experiences

1049
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,839
definitely helps that is all for this

1050
00:35:09,430 --> 00:35:07,440
week's show thank you very much for

1051
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:09,440
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00:35:37,349 --> 00:35:35,680
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1062
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:37,359
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